Jak
Registered: 22/02/08
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This whole green thing and carbon targets will cost too much money and jobs.. |
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ggaaron
Registered: 26/02/08
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yeah, but so what????
we need to stop mass producing meat, or at least, raise the prices of it.
Im not a vegetarian so shut up before you attack me....
but, to get meat in your belly, we have to waste a lot of water, to grow the grass for the cows to eat, then we have the methane to contend with. Cow dung makes more methane than a million farting Aussies tenfold. Then refrigeration of meat, more emissions, the extra weight of a refrigerated truck uses more petrol to cart the meat around (more emissions).... whereas fresh fruit and veg dont need to be refrigerated.....therefore the trucks weigh less and use less fuel....
there is no debate here....
eating Meat is causing pollution.
RAISE THE PRICE OF MEAT TO CORRESPOND WITH THE INFLUX OF EMISSIONS!
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bolandm
Registered: 25/02/08
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Well why don't we all go vegetarian that's what the Greens want and then lets get everybody to grow their own and see who goes hungry. As most people don't have a clue about growing things or would be too lazy most of us would starve and the only ones who would survive are the farmers and county people who are used to growing food. By the way if you believe the climate change theory would there be any use growing food anyway???
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sceadugenga
Registered: 27/02/08
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My father grew his own Veggies and I grew tomatoes for years. there's really not much to it.
The problem with gardening these days, particularly in the metropolitan areas, is water. Australia is running out of it rapidly.
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wombat555
Registered: 05/03/08
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I appreciate everyone's opinions and concern and possible solutions, but we may be missing the point. In 2004 my family and I went to Nepal, and were shocked to discover that this country is covered with smog 24/7. We saw a watery sun from 10 am to 4 pm every day. In about 2006 I read that the glaciers in Nepal were receeding at the rate of 18 metres a year - 22 cm a year is galloping rate for glaciers. The snowline is now 500 m higher than it was; this is old news, it will be worse now.
My daughter has been to Thailand and China since, and says it is the same story.
I feel that the Asians must toe the line with polution control - in simple measures to start with, eg don't burn rubbish, bury it. eg. or we had better see the Himalayas while there is still snow on them. The climate change there will and probably is affecting the whole planet.
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sceadugenga
Registered: 27/02/08
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The Indonesians seem to still be the worst offenders in unrestricted burning.
I'm in Northern Thailand at the moment and the smoke was really heavy when I was here this time last year but doesn't seem to be nearly as bad this year.
Whether this is a direct result of new legislation prohibiting burning of rubbish and burning off grass and scrub or a shift in weather patterns I don't know.
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purple71
Registered: 22/02/08
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I thought "EARTH HOUR" was good especially when other cities around the world joined in, following Sydney's lead from last year. The only thing is I think it should be done on a regular basis not just one hour a year.
What did everyone think of "EARTH HOUR"
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Binki
Registered: 14/06/08
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I thought Earth Hour was a good idea, we abided by it and burned candles, my17 yo daughter thought it was great and it was kind of romantic. It also reminded me of my childhood when we had no electricity and had to use our imaginations for entertainment!
I think the government should 'make it so' as Captain Piquard would say, it may be just a small step but it's one in the right direction.
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SonOfOdin
Registered: 10/12/08
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There are many causes of global warming.
For example, cows release far less methane than say a government damming a valley full of trees for the production of electricity. Methane is released by burying rubbish, and has far more impact to global warming than the release of CO2 and other particulates from burning it. However it is easier to see the impact that the growing beef industry has because (as said earlier) each step of the way is clearly accountable. Once you cover trees with 30 meters of water you cant see the methane being produced and released by the anaerobic decay of said trees. Yet, if you were interested in the swing of global climate, and were studying rising / falling sea levels around the globe, you would come across many submerged forests (from as late as 3000 BC, but earlier also) in the Mediteranean, Baltic & Artic oceans as well as peat bogs and marshes - all of which are still releasing methane.
There are other reasons for not eating meat though, beef or otherwise. Think cruelty to animals. Its time I think that humans turned away from the chauvinistic view that all creatures on earth are there explicitly for our own amusement/whatever. The diversity of life on Earth has come about as niches in the ecosystem needed to be filled. As we smash our way through the very system that sustains us, we change it, and almost always irrecoverably. What do we do when it finally crashes? Move to another planet?
Climate has changed in the past with catastrophes that have thickened the atmosphere, changed the heat transfer patterns of oceanic currents, and even through changing the Earths axis of rotation or its obliquity to the sun. The point is that with all the odds stacked against humanity, and the rest of life on the planet, not to change it through our own senseless actions.
My opinion, humans don't live long enough to see the consequences of their actions. They dont live long enough to have to deal with the mess that they create for their offspring. The hardest of these consequences to deal with is the current state of overpopulation. Education, and enabling people to act with that education is the only thing that should be a concern to us now - not whether it is going to cost x amount of dollars.
In the end, ignorance is the only truly renewable resource on planet Earth. If we dont fix that, then money isnt going to be worth a damn to anyone.
As for growing veges, I recommend that if you havent tried it, get of ya bum and get to Bunnings. Its great fun, gets you out of the house and nothing beats the feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction that feeding your family and friends with food that you have grown yourself gives. And a plant is a plant - all of which sequester CO2. And no-one in the world is going to stop you from watering your food. I think an attitude adjustment needs to be made with regards to relying on water coming from copper pipes. Its a good time, with rebates and so on, to get a water tank. And recycle your grey water too.
Earth hour is great for pandering to public opinion polls, and getting people aware, momentarily at least. I think it does too little myself, but I guess its better than nothing, and atleast its a start. Capitalism does little to help, for example public transport costs, regional recycling, regional food growth etc. How far away was the food you ate for lunch grown/processed/manufactured? ie what was the cost in carbon?
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wawilly
Registered: 07/09/09
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The new carbon tax is just a substitute for petroleum tax. Lets face it petroleum is at the dawn of being fazed out so the government needs a tax to replace it (I know I'm a bit slow and you all already know this) at least petroleum is a product that you can see. Carbon on the other hand is something that has different arguments on both sides and no one knows its actual affects so the government can take what ever side they want and no matter what evidence you come up with they can find someone that will say the opposite. So therefore its a tax forever it can never run out its a bit like God you can't prove it either way its all based on fear and faith.
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